The Road Jeff Caldwell Took
I, Jeff Caldwell, do solemnly offer these my responses to The Road to Lisp Survey:

I wrote this in December, 2002. Since then, I have written a lot more Lisp code. When I read this now, much of it gives me the "Ah, grasshopper!" feeling. There were things I didn't know, or things that have changed since. However, not enough time has passed for me to revise the article. Perhaps in a year or two I will be very interested in writing about all the things I have learned since I wrote this original record of my discovery of Lisp. For now, I will say that I remain amazed every day at how easily I can build powerful programs. Programming is fun again.

Learning Lisp
posted by Jeff on Tuesday December 31, @04:55AM
from the why-bother dept.
Nobody uses Lisp. All those parenthesis? It's a dead language. It's not for real work. Just some eggheads use it. Why bother? It turns out that maybe there are some reasons...

Over the past year I began reading about Lisp. Then I began learning Lisp, and programming in Lisp. I am still learning and have a lot left before I will have hit my limit. In this article I discuss how I came to discover Lisp and why I chose some of the Lisp tools I am using. There are lots of links for you to use to discover Lisp on your own.

People seem to have strong, and wrong, preconceived notions about Lisp. Here's what I like about Lisp:

  • It is incremental.

    • Lisp can compile one function at a time, even as it is typed. Of course, Lisp can handle files or entire systems of files as a group, too.

    • Suppose I have a running program, whether it is a running Windows or GUI program, or a web server, or anything at all. If I change a function, the new function takes effect immediately, as soon as I type in the change. I don't have to stop and restart the program. The change picks up in the middle of the running program. (I can load only the one function or reload the entire file of functions.)

  • It is multiprocessing. Most Lisp implementations provide full support for multiprocessing, threads, and so on.

  • It is interactive. Lisp gives me a Read-Evaluate-Print Loop, or a REPL. Lisp comes up in an initial state, ready to run, and presents me with a command prompt. It reads the command I type, evaluates that command, and prints the result. Lisp then waits to read my next command. I can issue the command to launch a GUI or webserver. The REPL prompt returns and I can then interact with the running program by examining or setting variables, changing functions, setting breakpoints, and much more.

  • It is flexible. Where do I begin here? There is so much flexibility, I cannot explain it in one paragraph. Those who defined Lisp took a long, hard look at many, or even most, of the basic issues involved in language design and provided mechanisms for Lisp to do it, not one of those ways, but all of those ways. Lisp has both dynamic and lexical scope, both local and global environments, named and unnamed functions. Every language lets you write code that is executed at run time. Lisp allows you to write code that is executed at compile time; macros can, during the compile, read code you've written and manipulate it to generate new code, which then is compiled. Lisp functions behave as regular functions and as data. Assign an existing function to a new function name. Change the original function to do some bookkeeping work and then call the original function. All of that without changing the source code for the original function. This goes on and on, I cannot fit it all in here. As John Foderaro said, Lisp is a programmable programming language.

  • From Peter Norvig's Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming:

    • Built-in Support for Lists

    • Automatic Storage Management

    • Dynamic Typing

    • First-Class Functions

    • Uniform Syntax

    • Interactive Environment

    • Extensibility

    • History

  • Lisp is fast. Nearly all modern Lisps compile to native machine code. I have written prime number algorithms, taken from Knuth Volume II, that run about as fast as equivalent C programs. This is not unusual. Look at Edi Weitz's benchmarks of his portable Common Lisp regular expression code. He benchmarked his Lisp code against Perl's regular expressions. Guess which was faster? (And Perl is known for its regular expressions.)

  • Lisp has many datatypes, not just lists. Arrays, hashes, structures, strings, and then all of the Common Lisp Object System, are included.

  • It is concise.

  • All those parenthesis. You know, it's odd that what seemed so foreign and repeling at the beginning is something I now appreciate deeply. The parenthesis would be unusable if it were not for modern editors. These editors perform indentation based upon the parenthetical level and so make things visually apparent. The editors also highlight matching open/close pairs. So what? Why have them in the first place? The reason is that Lisp has almost no syntax at all. An open parenthesis means "the next token is a function to be called". All tokens after the first one are parameters to the function. The close parenthesis means "end of the parameters". The net effect is that, when I write a new function, it is called in exactly the same way that in-built functions such as if, +, and so on are called. There is no difference. In essence, when I define a new function, I have extended Lisp itself. In fact, most in-built Lisp functions are defined in Lisp. Ultimately, there are maybe 25 "raw Lisp" special operators that cannot be defined without "outside help". All of that is possible only because of the parenthesis! (Of course, one could argue for the use of other special characters, but so what? That would not be anything new, really. See the next topic.)

  • Reader macros exist. Every program, function or variable that Lisp reads, whether interactively or in batch, passes through the Lisp reader. Lisp allows the reader to be modified by the use of reader macros. A reader macro recognizes an input pattern that is not part of "pre-defined Lisp" and translates that pattern into something that "traditional Lisp" recognizes. This means that the use of reader macros changes the syntax of the Lisp that you type.

  • It is functional. In other words, it is built out of functions, where a function causes no side effects but returns a value. That value can be data or another function. Functions are first-class, which means they can be passed around like data. You can write code with side effects, and often need to do that. But you can write functional code when that is the right thing to do. Most often, it is the right thing to do.

  • It supports recursion well. In many languages, a recursive call is performed by slapping yet another marker onto the stack and going through a procedure call. This approach is limited by the stack size, in terms of space, and the time required for a procedure call and return, in terms of time. Tail recursion is possible when the current invocation of the function is complete at the time the recursive call is made. In other words, the current invocation is not waiting on the recusive call to return before the current invocation can complete its calculations. When a compiler (or interpreter) recognizes tail recursion, the compiler can turn the recursion into a loop. This avoids the space and time overhead. Tail recursion is fast. For many algorithms, a recursive implementation is beautiful and easy to understand, when compared to a procedural implementation. Most Lisp compilers support tail recursion and so permit writing code that is beautiful to the person and fast for the machine.

Lots of languages have some of these pieces. I'm not sure of any other language that has all of them. It used to be that Lisp was the only language in this category, and that is beginning to change. However, I am unaware of any language I can point to and say "That is Lisp all over again". To my knowlege, Lisp still stands alone.

My interest in Lisp began when I read Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (available online), commonly called SICP or The Wizard Book (because of its cover). This is an amazing computer science textbook with an incredible worldwide reputation. The book opened my eyes in many ways. SICP uses a Lisp dialect called Scheme, which prides itself on an as-simple-as-possible structure. Scheme and the ideas in SICP were a perfect meld. SICP uses math-oriented topics to present computer science ideas during the first chapter. (The math isn't too heavy but I want math-phobic people to have a little warning.) The math lets up after that but the computer science is unrelentingly beautiful.

I did not continue working with Scheme after I finished SICP. I didn't find any implementations that gave me easy GUI or web development. (Not that I searched very hard, though, it just didn't occur to me to do so.) I had no good replacement for a Unix bash shell. I kind of thought "That was an interesting language for learning all those computer science topics." and that was about it.

All that began to change, though, when I read

Kent Pitman's slashdot interview. (Kent's response was longer than slashdot prefers. They split his response and the second half is here.

Mr. Pitman was involved in ANSI committees standardizing Lisp. His article, which actually consists of responses to questions, rekindled my interest in the Lisp language family and, in particular, gave me a reason to consider Common Lisp in addition to Scheme. The entire definition of Scheme is shorter than the table of contents for the definition of Common Lisp. This apparently delights Schemers. Common Lisp is designed to be industrial strength.

I still was not actively learning Lisp. It was just something interesting and it seemed much more worthwhile than before. It had moved from obscure and arcane to having real potential. A few months later, I ran across the slashdot story about Paul Graham's book On Lisp being available online. It was an easy decision to download a copy. I also grabbed a free copy of Common Lisp.

(Look on Paul Graham's Lisp page. CMU Common Lisp is free for Unix/Linux. CLisp runs on more platforms, including Windows. Corman Lisp runs only on Windows, has a free download, a trial period for its IDE, is built as an in-process COM server, and allows "straight Win32 SDK programs to be built". The Corman site also has a free download of PowerLisp for the Mac. Other commercial versions include Franz's Allegro Common Lisp and Xanaly's Lispworks. )

I personally use Lispworks Professional Edition on Windows and look forward to purchasing it for Linux. Lispworks has a wonderful CAPI package for building GUIs portable between Windows and Linux. CAPI is very nice for many, or even most, tasks. I suspect, though, that if you really need super-tight Windows integration, Corman Lisp may be worth a look. Allegro is out of my current price range, especially since Lispworks allows free run-time distribution and Allegro requires a license purchase for every run-time station. I currently run CMUCL on Linux. I need to take a closer look at CLisp and Corman.

I worked through every example in On Lisp and was totally jazzed by the power of the language. I became convinced. I bought lots of other Lisp books, including Peter Norvig's Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming, which is tremendously worthwhile and is about much more than just Artificial Intelligence. I read Sonia Keene's Object-Oriented Programming in Common Lisp - A Programmer's Guide to CLOS (Addison Wesley) for the object-oriented aspects of Common Lisp. Paul Graham's Ansi Common Lisp is good as a look-it-up handbook, especially when struggling to learn all the Common Lisp functions. Christian Queinnec's Lisp In Small Pieces is breathtaking. It is what I am reading currently. It does what it says and defines Lisp in terms of Lisp by starting small and then adding a piece at a time. Three chapters of this book have done more to increase my understanding of some formerly-esoteric, but frequently bumped-into, features of Lisp than all the previous books had managed to do. I suppose that's just part of the learning process. (Lisp In Small Pieces is not a good introduction to the language -- One review calls it "graduate or advanced undergraduate". Read the book later, but certainly read it.) I have other books in my stack. I'm looking forward to The Art of the MetaObject Protocol, to learn about peering inside Common Lisp Object System, or CLOS, objects. I've got a scattering of other books, which I'll post more about as I get to them.

Cliki is a great place to learn and to find resources. You can get a lot of nice free tools at Franz's Open Source page. There are a variety of web servers available.

For my purposes, I am currently working with the Apache web server and two tools from OnShore Development: 1) IMHO and 2) UncommonSQL. IMHO is a CLOS-based set of tools for presenting web pages and retrieving responses, including state management. IMHO interfaces to the Apache httpd using mod_webapp. UncommonSQL allows access to databases, specifically Oracle, using OCI calls, and Postgres.

I evaluated lots of other systems before deciding upon my current configuration. (See Cliki for links.) Web servers such as PortableAServe, an open source version of AllegroServe from Franz, don't separate code from data well enough for my liking. In other words, the application itself it tightly intertwined with the html. To a possibly-large extent, the same may be true of the large and wonderful CL-HTTP from MIT. CL-HTTP has two or three problems. Many people don't like its license and so steer clear of it. I am not a lawyer and don't want to have to consult one before comitting to a course of action. I mean, I don't need to consult one if I simply make another choice where the license is clear. I had no trouble getting CL-HTTP working under Windows with Lispworks. I don't have Lispworks for Linux and so tried getting CL-HTTP working on Linux with CMUCL. I never really succeeded. After thinking about the licensing issues and the configuration problems I had, which probably were entirely my own fault, I took a look at the CL-HTTP code. It seems to me that it, too, mixes the application with the HTML in much-too-tight a way. I really was looking for a clean separation, in part because of the application design I have in mind.

IMHO and UncommonSQL seem to give me that separation. IMHO defines the web interactions as a series of operations on CLOS objects. UncommonSQL defines database transactions similarly. I'm just getting started here so whatever I have misunderstood will become clear in a few weeks and months. My current understanding is that I will be able to define macros and/or CLOS objects above and around the IMHO and UnCommonSQL objects, thus giving me an object-oriented system controlling both the database and the web server. I can add functionality to control, or produce, whatever else I need.

I am truly enjoying my experience with Lisp. Perhaps you will take a similar journey.

Related Links

  • Perl
  • Slashdot
  • Linux
  • Knuth Volume II
  • Edi Weitz's benchmarks
  • Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
  • Scheme
  • Kent Pitman's slashdot interview

  • here
  • slashdot story
  • Paul Graham
  • On Lisp
  • Paul Graham's Lisp page
  • CMU Common Lisp
  • CLisp
  • Corman Lisp
  • free download of PowerLisp
  • Franz's Allegro Common Lisp
  • Xanaly's Lispworks
  • Peter Norvig
  • Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming
  • Object-Oriented Programming in Common Lisp - A Programmer's Guide to CLOS
  • Ansi Common Lisp
  • Christian Queinnec's
  • Lisp In Small Pieces
  • The Art of the MetaObject Protocol
  • Cliki
  • Franz's Open Source page
  • Apache
  • OnShore Development
  • 1) IMHO and 2) UncommonSQL
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    generating HTML from CL-HTTP (Score:0)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 03, @10:12PM ()

    Regarding CL-HTTP. There are some different ways to create dynamic output in CL-HTTP.

    • Use Lisp code with some of the Macro packages. The idea is, that when you change to a different macro package, using mostly unchanged Lisp application code, your generated HTML will update to whatever is en vogue.

    • Use W3P. W3P allows to use CLOS/CLIM-like Lisp code to be written to output code. Very advanced.

    • Use Templates. CL-HTTP allows you to declare Lisp functions to be used in HTML-Templates. The Templates will be precompiled.

    Above also provides building blocks for other ideas. See the example code for serving 'slides'...

    Switch Date 2002 RtL SICP Rtl Kent Pitman RtL Paul Graham RtL Peter Norvig